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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-62011</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever our disagreements, it looks like Iris, Tim, Allen, and I can all agree that it&#039;s fun and instructive to make radically simplified analogies about the OCLC policy debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever our disagreements, it looks like Iris, Tim, Allen, and I can all agree that it&#8217;s fun and instructive to make radically simplified analogies about the OCLC policy debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Mullen</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-62009</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A better comparison might be a tool coop (I&#039;ve belonged, volunteered and worked for food coops for 30 years (still do) and 2 tool coops alongside many other people-owned orgs - community radio, community gardens, etc.).  Anyway, the members have accumulated many tools and have a governing organization that keeps them in good repair, builds and maintains tool sheds, facilitates sharing, adds new tools with coop funds, etc.  

Forty years of tool sharing go by until times come where tools become much more valuable.  Some really creative tool stores crop up and some of the coop members use them as well as (or instead of) their coop. However, it emerges the stores want to use the tool coops tools.  If they can&#039;t get them from the coop directly, they&#039;ll try to get them from members.  The governing board, without fully consulting the membership, decides that, while everyone who is a member can use the tools and even loan their own portion of the tools to the tool stores as long as it isn&#039;t for-profit, if a tool store wants to use the tools, they need to come to agreement with the governing board.  

Rallied in part by the cool tool stores (not evil tool stores, to any dufus who dares think this), who are very adept at 2.0 crowd sourcing their goals of using the tool coop&#039;s tools without restriction, a large proportion of the members (not small but vocal) critique, attack and sometimes insult the governing board of the coop and those who try to say &quot;Hey - these are our tools and, regardless of how flawed the board&#039;s decision was, our coop needs to address this because it weighs heavily on the future of the coop.&quot; 

I&#039;ve critiqued the policy myself and made my own somewhat ignorant suggestions.  At the same time, I think the tool coop should look carefully at their relationship to the tools they own as well as cool tool stores (now and in the future) who want to use their tools  and help the board craft some decisions about tool sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better comparison might be a tool coop (I&#8217;ve belonged, volunteered and worked for food coops for 30 years (still do) and 2 tool coops alongside many other people-owned orgs &#8211; community radio, community gardens, etc.).  Anyway, the members have accumulated many tools and have a governing organization that keeps them in good repair, builds and maintains tool sheds, facilitates sharing, adds new tools with coop funds, etc.  </p>
<p>Forty years of tool sharing go by until times come where tools become much more valuable.  Some really creative tool stores crop up and some of the coop members use them as well as (or instead of) their coop. However, it emerges the stores want to use the tool coops tools.  If they can&#8217;t get them from the coop directly, they&#8217;ll try to get them from members.  The governing board, without fully consulting the membership, decides that, while everyone who is a member can use the tools and even loan their own portion of the tools to the tool stores as long as it isn&#8217;t for-profit, if a tool store wants to use the tools, they need to come to agreement with the governing board.  </p>
<p>Rallied in part by the cool tool stores (not evil tool stores, to any dufus who dares think this), who are very adept at 2.0 crowd sourcing their goals of using the tool coop&#8217;s tools without restriction, a large proportion of the members (not small but vocal) critique, attack and sometimes insult the governing board of the coop and those who try to say &#8220;Hey &#8211; these are our tools and, regardless of how flawed the board&#8217;s decision was, our coop needs to address this because it weighs heavily on the future of the coop.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve critiqued the policy myself and made my own somewhat ignorant suggestions.  At the same time, I think the tool coop should look carefully at their relationship to the tools they own as well as cool tool stores (now and in the future) who want to use their tools  and help the board craft some decisions about tool sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-61998</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A better comparison might be if you belonged to a food cooperative—sharing your time and produce with others in a friendly, mutual way. No food cooperative attempts to contractually bind people you invite to dinner, or the people they have dinner with, and so on. And of course brownies and produce are finite goods, while information does not diminish when you share it—quite the opposite, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better comparison might be if you belonged to a food cooperative—sharing your time and produce with others in a friendly, mutual way. No food cooperative attempts to contractually bind people you invite to dinner, or the people they have dinner with, and so on. And of course brownies and produce are finite goods, while information does not diminish when you share it—quite the opposite, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-61870</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that if a host invites guests and asks each to bring one ingredient (one person bringing eggs, one baking powder, one flour, one salt, and so on), that it&#039;s a little disingenuous to then serve brownies and say that the guests may each eat only the parts of the brownies that they brought with them when they arrived.

But we&#039;re getting far afield from Steve&#039;s original food for thought, which wasn&#039;t fundamentally a slam on OCLC. It was much more about upsetting a balance and having to backtrack before figuring out a better balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that if a host invites guests and asks each to bring one ingredient (one person bringing eggs, one baking powder, one flour, one salt, and so on), that it&#8217;s a little disingenuous to then serve brownies and say that the guests may each eat only the parts of the brownies that they brought with them when they arrived.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re getting far afield from Steve&#8217;s original food for thought, which wasn&#8217;t fundamentally a slam on OCLC. It was much more about upsetting a balance and having to backtrack before figuring out a better balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron the Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron the Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen, agreed, folks may be making a mountain out of a molehill.  

Your more fruitful way of interpreting it [the new/improved/revised/new TOS when it comes out iteration] is a nice trusting interpretation; however, many folks who disagree with it [the current/new/temporarily withdrawn TOS iteration] disagree with this more fruitful interpretation.

In my broad-strokes read of the language used, my impression strongly favored the “we (OCLC) own your stuff” side of the discussion.  The we own the data and you can&#039;t do x or y or z implications came through pretty strongly.

It needs work, just like Facebook&#039;s needs work, too bad there wasn&#039;t a trial balloon sent up instead of a unilateral &quot;this will change&quot; statement, in either situation.

It&#039;s life, as long as the original authors of the faux pas don&#039;t take the criticisms (especially the accurate, if in unfriendly tones ones) personally, a better agreement/terms will be worked out.

*shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen, agreed, folks may be making a mountain out of a molehill.  </p>
<p>Your more fruitful way of interpreting it [the new/improved/revised/new TOS when it comes out iteration] is a nice trusting interpretation; however, many folks who disagree with it [the current/new/temporarily withdrawn TOS iteration] disagree with this more fruitful interpretation.</p>
<p>In my broad-strokes read of the language used, my impression strongly favored the “we (OCLC) own your stuff” side of the discussion.  The we own the data and you can&#8217;t do x or y or z implications came through pretty strongly.</p>
<p>It needs work, just like Facebook&#8217;s needs work, too bad there wasn&#8217;t a trial balloon sent up instead of a unilateral &#8220;this will change&#8221; statement, in either situation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s life, as long as the original authors of the faux pas don&#8217;t take the criticisms (especially the accurate, if in unfriendly tones ones) personally, a better agreement/terms will be worked out.</p>
<p>*shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Mullen</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-61861</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the policy:
An OCLC Member or Non-OCLC Member may Use or Transfer the following without complying with this Policy: (i) a WorldCat Record designated in WorldCat as the Original Cataloging of the OCLC Member or Non-OCLC Member; or (ii) a bibliographic record which is not Derived from WorldCat whether or not the OCLC Member or Non-OCLC Member adds the OCLC control number to the record.

From the FAQ:
9. Is my library&#039;s original cataloging governed by the Policy?
Your Use or Transfer of records designated in WorldCat as your original cataloging, are not governed by the Policy. See Section B of the Policy.

Your stuff is your stuff.  If your library is an OCLC member, you pay for use of everybody&#039;s stuff (1.1 billion records - what percentage is your library&#039;s?).  If you pay more than the value you receive, it might be time to bail. 

Off for the weekend.  Regards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the policy:<br />
An OCLC Member or Non-OCLC Member may Use or Transfer the following without complying with this Policy: (i) a WorldCat Record designated in WorldCat as the Original Cataloging of the OCLC Member or Non-OCLC Member; or (ii) a bibliographic record which is not Derived from WorldCat whether or not the OCLC Member or Non-OCLC Member adds the OCLC control number to the record.</p>
<p>From the FAQ:<br />
9. Is my library&#8217;s original cataloging governed by the Policy?<br />
Your Use or Transfer of records designated in WorldCat as your original cataloging, are not governed by the Policy. See Section B of the Policy.</p>
<p>Your stuff is your stuff.  If your library is an OCLC member, you pay for use of everybody&#8217;s stuff (1.1 billion records &#8211; what percentage is your library&#8217;s?).  If you pay more than the value you receive, it might be time to bail. </p>
<p>Off for the weekend.  Regards!</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-61858</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would feel more like that if I could then use my stuff in whatever way I wanted. But I can&#039;t. I have to use &quot;my&quot; stuff ONLY in the ways that OCLC says I can, which makes it feel less like it&#039;s mine and more like it&#039;s OCLC&#039;s. I also have to pay to use it, which also doesn&#039;t make it feel very much like mine. Just sayin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would feel more like that if I could then use my stuff in whatever way I wanted. But I can&#8217;t. I have to use &#8220;my&#8221; stuff ONLY in the ways that OCLC says I can, which makes it feel less like it&#8217;s mine and more like it&#8217;s OCLC&#8217;s. I also have to pay to use it, which also doesn&#8217;t make it feel very much like mine. Just sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Mullen</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-61857</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be more fruitful if OCLC members see this as &quot;we (OCLC members) own our stuff&quot; instead of &quot;we (OCLC) own your stuff&quot; in order to help strike that balance.  Just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be more fruitful if OCLC members see this as &#8220;we (OCLC members) own our stuff&#8221; instead of &#8220;we (OCLC) own your stuff&#8221; in order to help strike that balance.  Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-61854</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s certainly not directly comparable in the details. You&#039;re right. But the &quot;we own your stuff even when you&#039;d rather we didn&#039;t&quot; approach is similar enough to have made an interesting thought piece. It&#039;s the ethos that&#039;s comparable, in my opinion, the misstep in striking that balance between stakeholder needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly not directly comparable in the details. You&#8217;re right. But the &#8220;we own your stuff even when you&#8217;d rather we didn&#8217;t&#8221; approach is similar enough to have made an interesting thought piece. It&#8217;s the ethos that&#8217;s comparable, in my opinion, the misstep in striking that balance between stakeholder needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Mullen</title>
		<link>http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2009/02/matters_of_policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-61851</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iris, Yes, there are many in the library community who offer reasoned and thoughtful critiques and suggestions on the policy.  There are some who are even working actively to improve the policy.  My sense of this is certainly colored by discussions on cataloging-oriented listservs and blogs (which is where I came across Steve&#039;s post) and, even in that context, I know I have tended to paint the opposition with an overly broad brush.  

I see this as a crucial decision point (and thank goodness I&#039;m *not* the decider.  I tend to hope that the collaborative, non-commercial library world in the U.S., most prominently represented though OCLC, will develop and implement innovative, viable services that are integrated where our various users are.  If we can&#039;t (or bow out), then the commercial vendor community will surely do so.  OCLC, for all of the missteps, has served collaboration tremendously for over 40 years.  The environment has changed tremendously - I see the policy as more in-step with the environment than not (try obtaining all of any successful 2.0 giants data free of charge for any use, commercial or not to test the waters). Maybe I&#039;m wrong, but it sure isn&#039;t directly comparable to the Facebook controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iris, Yes, there are many in the library community who offer reasoned and thoughtful critiques and suggestions on the policy.  There are some who are even working actively to improve the policy.  My sense of this is certainly colored by discussions on cataloging-oriented listservs and blogs (which is where I came across Steve&#8217;s post) and, even in that context, I know I have tended to paint the opposition with an overly broad brush.  </p>
<p>I see this as a crucial decision point (and thank goodness I&#8217;m *not* the decider.  I tend to hope that the collaborative, non-commercial library world in the U.S., most prominently represented though OCLC, will develop and implement innovative, viable services that are integrated where our various users are.  If we can&#8217;t (or bow out), then the commercial vendor community will surely do so.  OCLC, for all of the missteps, has served collaboration tremendously for over 40 years.  The environment has changed tremendously &#8211; I see the policy as more in-step with the environment than not (try obtaining all of any successful 2.0 giants data free of charge for any use, commercial or not to test the waters). Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but it sure isn&#8217;t directly comparable to the Facebook controversy.</p>
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