Comments on: Sapping students’ initiative http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2008/10/sapping_students_initiative.html a library weblog by Steve Lawson Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:54:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Mark Bauerlein http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2008/10/sapping_students_initiative.html/comment-page-1#comment-39798 Mark Bauerlein Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:54:37 +0000 http://stevelawson.name/seealso/?p=777#comment-39798 In fact, when I was in graduate school I copied long passages out of Nietzsche, Hegel, and Heidegger for months at a time. It was a good exercise. In fact, when I was in graduate school I copied long passages out of Nietzsche, Hegel, and Heidegger for months at a time. It was a good exercise.

]]> By: Jessy http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2008/10/sapping_students_initiative.html/comment-page-1#comment-39767 Jessy Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:12:21 +0000 http://stevelawson.name/seealso/?p=777#comment-39767 I wonder how much Bauerlein would appreciate hand-copying the materials he uses in his research. Because there was a time before photocopiers and it would be a good character-building exercise for him to experience what that time was like. I wonder how much Bauerlein would appreciate hand-copying the materials he uses in his research. Because there was a time before photocopiers and it would be a good character-building exercise for him to experience what that time was like.

]]> By: Wayne http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2008/10/sapping_students_initiative.html/comment-page-1#comment-39318 Wayne Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:57:44 +0000 http://stevelawson.name/seealso/?p=777#comment-39318 But Steve, you seem to be forgetting the undeniable fact that microfilm is just inherently good. Finding obituaries on microfilm instead of online teaches discipline! And honor! And the self-confidence that comes from achieving such worthwhile goals as putting a piece of plastic onto a spool and turning a crank! But Steve, you seem to be forgetting the undeniable fact that microfilm is just inherently good. Finding obituaries on microfilm instead of online teaches discipline! And honor! And the self-confidence that comes from achieving such worthwhile goals as putting a piece of plastic onto a spool and turning a crank!

]]> By: Joe Kraus http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2008/10/sapping_students_initiative.html/comment-page-1#comment-39177 Joe Kraus Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:57:09 +0000 http://stevelawson.name/seealso/?p=777#comment-39177 I completely agree with you. I can't stand the assignments from teaching faculty where students have to find a journal article that isn't on the web. The web is just a delivery mechanism for most journal articles, not the source of the information... Maybe the faculty don't truly understand the difference between a JAMA article online and the run-o-the-mill organizational blurb that is online. They can't get away from their paper habit/addiction. I completely agree with you. I can’t stand the assignments from teaching faculty where students have to find a journal article that isn’t on the web. The web is just a delivery mechanism for most journal articles, not the source of the information… Maybe the faculty don’t truly understand the difference between a JAMA article online and the run-o-the-mill organizational blurb that is online. They can’t get away from their paper habit/addiction.

]]> By: walt crawford http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2008/10/sapping_students_initiative.html/comment-page-1#comment-39140 walt crawford Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:16:25 +0000 http://stevelawson.name/seealso/?p=777#comment-39140 You already know I'm a firm proponent of the worth of reading books mindfully and probably in print. But that doesn't mean using print where online manifestly does it faster and better--and forcing students to do so is, well, maybe not dumbest but certainly dumb. Oh, that's supposed to be the students? I didn't buy the argument (about dumbed-down generations) before, and manifest dumbness on the teacher's part doesn't make the case. Good post, good point. You already know I’m a firm proponent of the worth of reading books mindfully and probably in print. But that doesn’t mean using print where online manifestly does it faster and better–and forcing students to do so is, well, maybe not dumbest but certainly dumb.

Oh, that’s supposed to be the students? I didn’t buy the argument (about dumbed-down generations) before, and manifest dumbness on the teacher’s part doesn’t make the case. Good post, good point.

]]> By: Iris http://stevelawson.name/seealso/archives/2008/10/sapping_students_initiative.html/comment-page-1#comment-39131 Iris Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:38:06 +0000 http://stevelawson.name/seealso/?p=777#comment-39131 Yes. Emphatically yes. Students get so excited about the richness of the off-line research process <i>when they have need of it</i>. They will resent it if it's just busy work designed to make them jump through hoops. Hey, *I* even resent it when I know I could get it with two or three clicks and a google search. Yes. Emphatically yes. Students get so excited about the richness of the off-line research process when they have need of it. They will resent it if it’s just busy work designed to make them jump through hoops. Hey, *I* even resent it when I know I could get it with two or three clicks and a google search.

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